Video of the Candidates Forum posted online

The Mt. Juliet / West Wilson Chamber of Commerce held a forum for the candidates for Mayor on Thursday, Oct 2, 2008.

The web site for Kevin Mack’s campaign has posted videos of the forum online.

Thanks to a dedicated Mt. Juliet citizen who recorded it on a Tivo, we are able to present the entire forum here. The format allowed for 1-minute introductions, 9 questions selected by the chamber, and then 3-minute closing statements. You can watch it all, question by question – or jump to the question that interests you the most.

There are 12 videos in all (introduction, 9 questions, and 2 videos for closing statements). They run 4-5 minutes each.

click here to go to the page with all of the videos.

Watch them all. Listen carefully to the answers that each candidate gives.

– Publius

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9 responses to “Video of the Candidates Forum posted online

  1. Looking Toward The Future

    Where is the video of the district one candidates? I want to see how they did. Good mix of an old hound dog, angry bull dog, and a young pup.

  2. Need to find a civic-minded citizen who recorded it.

    We can take it from there.

  3. Lex Luther

    A brilliant move on Mack’s part. Not only does it show that he is completly open to the voters, it provides the only place people can see the debate if they missed it.

    Supporters of every candidate will now be going to Mack’s website to see the debate.

  4. Chris Sorey

    It is also on Youtube.com
    Type in Mt Juliet forum

  5. Gene Reich

    I think Kevin Mack had some original ideas for use of Home Rule that the others didn’t. Did you catch that comment by Wendell Marlowe that he has lived in the city for 25 years? I thought he lived in the county before he moved? I guess it counts if you have a MJ post office and zip.

    We need to hear more on the taxpayer bill of rights.

  6. Looking Toward The Future

    Was Home Rule ever fully put in place? If so, why aren’t we using it? Is Linda, Ed, and Ray afraid of loosing power?

  7. Butch Huber

    Looking:

    Home Rule isn’t being used because of Apathy and complacency on our part.

    Kevin fought hard and won the right for us to call more of the shots regarding how we are going to develop as a city. Unfortunately, we haven’t taken advantage of that freedom. We should have gotten the property tax issue on this referenda. We should have gotten the fire department issue on this referenda. We should have gotten a recall provision on this referenda. We should have forced the commission to adopt the MTAS ethics ordinance model by getting something on this referenda. But we didn’t.

    The reason is simple, conservatives are conservative, which means they are slow to make major shifts, and that is why liberals gain so much ground. However, when we act, it’s revolutionary. Think 1776.

    We as private citizens have a responsibility. A responsibility that comes right along with liberty. And that responsibility is to hold public officials accountable and stand for our rights, and the rights of others. Just as the Soldier, Airman, Marine, or Sailor fights for our freedoms abroad, we are responsible to stand for our rights here at home.

    I want to bring something to your attention. Something that bothers me greatly. I have held my tongue on this for a little while, but I can’t let it slide. Linda violated the law many times over the past 4 years, and she got away with it. If we elect her back in office we deserve what we get. Jim looked the other way when he should have held her accountable. All of that has been established on this site again and again. But something else that has come out in this race is the issue about Marlowe and his having lived outside his district for 7 months before resigning from the county commission. During the forum last Thursday Linda bashed Marlowe for what he had done. Okay, she took a shot at him, it’s politics. But more disconcerting to me than the fact that he moved out of his district and didn’t resign, which was certainly bad enough, was the answer he gave as his “justification”. He said that he was “asked to stay on the commission”, he was “asked to do it”. He was asked to stay on until the next election but then a couple commissioners had a hard time with it and he resigned. Now, I don’t dislike Marlowe, but I want you to dissect that answer. You see, his answer is unfortunately and example of the typical character of public officials today. It was illegal for him to stay in his seat once he moved out of his district. He knew he wasn’t elected from the district he moved to, hell, he was on the county commission for four terms (as he continues to point out). He knew it was wrong, but he “justifies” what he did by saying that he was “asked to stay on”. Now, this guy is the principle of a school. I wonder if he would let his students get away with that excuse? “I didn’t do anything wrong by bringing the gun to school, Principal, they asked me to bring it. I know it is against the law and against school rules, but I’ve got a get out of jail free card right here that tells me to just say, “they asked me to do it”, and I am “justified” and there is no penalty. Think that would pass as being a “justified” reason for his students violating the law? The media reported the same response from him and they have given it a pass. Is anyone else listening to what these folks say and watching what they do, or am I all alone?

    Don’t get me wrong, if Kevin wasn’t going to be re-elected to the office of Mayor of Mt. Juliet, I would hope Marlowe did. Jim is a decent man I guess, but he breached his integrity when he looked the other way when he had the opportunity to drag the truth out in the light of day. He opted for the comfortable and convenient choice rather than doing the right and difficult thing. And don’t even get me started on Linda.

    But again, back to the point…did you get it? “They asked me”! That is the justification for violating the law? For defrauding citizens? “They asked me”?

    Local, regional, and state politics is where baby politicians grow up to become heros or monsters, the answer as to which grows to full maturity and which person they grow into is largely held in our hands. Part of our job is to keep these guys between the sideline markers. However, we meet them with apathy and complacency rather than truth and justice mixed with mercy and grace. I don’t expect politicians to be perfect, I’m certainly not, but for God’s sake, when they get upside down in this cesspool of life called American politics the last thing they should do is open their mouths and try to “justify” their actions. It would be better to keep their mouths shut at that point, right themselves, take a shower, think about what they have done, and then speak. I have a lot more respect for a person who admits that they went amiss and then makes things right than I do for someone who comes up with “they asked me”, besides, if they do that their breath stinks.

    I struggle with this post because I don’t want to write it, but this is a guy who is leading our community’s children. They are watching him. They are reading about their principle. They read his statement about having been “asked to stay”. I believe with everything in me that Marlowe knows better than to use that excuse, but he is caught up in the intoxication of politics. I don’t want to hurt Marlowe, after all, he is the guy who stood up the the ACLU. I don’t want to do this to him, but I can’t get past his excuse on this one. He needs to reassess his life in politics if he is going to rest his mind on “they asked me”. He is either a man of integrity, and will fix this situation and own up to the fact that he did wrong, without justification, or he is a fraud. His wasn’t a minor violation, it was a violation of our election system, which is a violation of every person who has ever worn a uniform to protect the freedoms of this county and a violation of every citizen who has braved the backlash that comes from standing for their rights here at home.

    Mr. Marlowe, your students are watching, are you going to make this right, or are you going to continue to hide behind your justification of: “They asked me”? If you continue to hide behind “They asked me”, how can you ever discipline another child for their misconduct? What is more important to you, winning a race or your personal integrity? You already did enough harm by violating the law by remaining in your seat after you moved, are you going to compound that breach by allowing yourself to justify your behavior with this lame excuse? Admit that you did wrong and let the chips fall where they may, I won’t vote for you because Mack has my vote, but I will respect you whether you win or lose this election. But if you don’t take a u-turn on this, whether you win or lose, you lose, because you will have sacrificed your integrity, and in some way, the rest of us lose as well. For now, I am going to continue to believe you are a good man, who made a bad decision. If you don’t fix this, how can you face your students and their parents? I am sure that you never thought about this in the way that I am pointing it out, but now that there is a mirror in your face, what will you do?

  8. Looking Toward The Future

    So is Marlowe in the same boat with Ray. Afterall, Ray has abused his powers several times over the years.
    When Marlowe moved out of his district, who was responsible for enforcing that part of the rule. I am sure something is written somewhere that states how he should be replaced, right? Do they need a special election or is it written that the position remains empty until the next election cycle? Is it all Marlowe’s fault or should the Mayor be also held accountable since he let that happen?

  9. Butch Huber

    Looking toward the future:

    Yes, it’s all Marlowe’s fault and it’s also all the County Mayor’s fault (if the County Mayor knew of the move). Fault is personal in something like this. You see, accountablility can’t be delegated, so fault has to be viewed from a personal perspective. Persons of power have a duty and responsibility to do the right thing, the right way, for the right reasons, all the time. They can’t lay off their responsibility on someone else, nor can they shrug off their accountability. If the mayor knew of Marlowe’s move and yet did nothing about it his lack of action is just as bad as Marlowe’s action. He would then be 100% at fault for not bringing correction and for allowing the crime to continue. The mayor has a duty under the law regarding matters such as this, just like the District Attorney General and the County Attorney.

    When government officials fail to act they act to fail. They rip at the fabric of our society when they look the other way. We would be better to re-establish our entire government structure and replace all of the elected officials across the nation than to continue to allow the farce to continue. We need good men and women to run for public office, but we also owe it to those people to place them in an environment where they can continue to be good and honest men and women once they arrive at their office. So in that since, we are all guilty, because we are apathetic and complacent. It’s my fault, and your fault, because we allow it to continue. We have the power, it was faught for and won for us over two hundred years ago and since that time hundreds of thousands of brave souls have given their lives to maintain that freedom for us, we simply don’t use the powers we have to hold officials accountable, or if necessary, to overthrow this government and establish a new government. As our country continues its journey into socialism and communism, and journey it is, we will have to take assessment of ourselves and determine if we are going to allow this to happen to us or will we take a stand. I know that all sounds very melodramatic, but aren’t we headed into socialism today? Isn’t the government buying up mortgages and banks? Isn’t there a push to nationalize healthcare? Aren’t factions trying to take away our gun rights? Instead of allowing fat cats to take their financial baths for their mishandling of their companies, government is stepping in, buying out those businesses, paying off the fat cats so they don’t put up too much of a stink, and making us dependent that much more on Uncle Stalin, I mean, Uncle Sam? Aren’t we all waiting with baited breath to see if our precious social security check will arrive for us one day? Well, aren’t we? Be honest. We, those around my age, are saying “There won’t be social security for me”, but secretly we sell ourselves on the ideology that somehow, someway, the government will make it all okay? Government is never going to ride in wearing a white hat!

    I know this post moved away from the question you posed, but everything in context I say. You can’t fix one without fixing it all. If we are not willing to hold public officials up to scrutiny at the local level, we are doomed at the national level. However, if you, if we, hold local officials accountable, in time, they will use their power and influence to hold bigger fish accountable. Soon, you have a ground swell movement that will be a quiet, bloodless revolution.

    God as the center of the Family unit, the family unit as the center of the community, the community as the center of the society, society as director of policy. We need a moral compass in America again. We need something we can all come back to and agree upon. We need to re-establish our center, our core. Morality, integrity, honesty, courage, decency, virtue, verasity, grace, mercy, and ethics need to be something we aspire for, they are not something we give up on. We all fall short, but we need to be willing to agree that falling short isn’t okay. If we get to a point where we accept before we start that we have already failed, and we will fall short, than all is already lost, and we are nothing but dead men and women who simply refuse to fall over. We also don’t need to kick each other when we fail and fall, but rather pick each other up and dust each other off and help each other along our way. The man who needs to be kicked is the man who refuses to admit when he is wrong and who doesn’t learn from his mistakes.

    Looking, you bring an interesting angle to this issue. Each and every commissioner who persuaded Marlowe to continue after he moved is complicit and should be ashamed. They encouraged him to violate the law, but more importantly, violate himself and the community. They too are 100% guilty. But so am I. I don’t do enough. I need to do more to bring justice and equity in public places. I am not sure how that will happen, but it is something that must happen. “We the people” means you and I.

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

    Will we allow the light to go out on this country, on the world, or will we stand up and say; “No more! No more will we tolerate a government of people who forsake the traditions, the sacrific, tenets of this great nation! No more will we idly stand by and allow this mischief to continue! No more will we follow like sheep to the slaughter! No more will we allow our light to grow dim! No more will we look the other way! No more will we accept lower standards of our leaders! No more will we allow our falled to have died in vain! No more, no more, no more!” We are all at fault, but we can begin again! We can start right here in Mt. Juliet. We can start right here, and we can start right now! We can send the message that we are a good and honest people of a good and honest nation. We can admit that we have fallen asleep at the wheel. We can repent, we can turn around before it is too late. We can begin anew in this country if we will only take that first small step. If we don’t make virtue our touchstone what have we? We all fall short, but our shortcomings should be events, not our character.

    We have a debt to pay, but that debt has nothing to do with money, it has to do with blood.

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